Focus on the Family with Jim Daly

John Fuller: Merry Christmas to you and welcome to a special holiday episode of Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. I’m John Fuller.

Jim Daly: Well, my favorite time of year is Christmas, and Christmas always brings to mind warm feelings of family get-togethers and taking time off to relax and refresh and really concentrate on what this time of year means, the birth of Christ. We’re celebrating the wonderful gift of God’s Son, Jesus Christ, who came to save us all. John 3:16 is the heart of Christmas.

John: Mm-hmm.

Jim: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.” And it’s our prayer here on Christmas Day amid all the presents and decorations and great food that you’ll take time to celebrate, as a family, the birth and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

John: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And we’re so glad that you’ve allowed us to be part of your celebration festivities. Now, of course, Jim and I are at home with our families today-

Jim: (laughs).

John: … but this pre-recorded show, uh, has some fun stories and humor from a very special family. They’ve become great friends to Focus over the years.

Jim: Well, you may be familiar with Phil and Kay Robertson, the founders of the Duck Dynasty clan, and it was our great pleasure and honor to spend time in their home recently learning about their special family traditions and their bold faith for the Lord. And we had a lot of fun and laughter with them as well.

John: We did. And, uh, we talked about a book by the Robertsons. It’s called Exploring the Joy of Christmas: Stories, Recipes, Carols and More. And speaking of recipes, Jim, Phil and Kay have a few unusual items on their menu.

Jim: Yeah. Not things I would wanna eat knowingly.

John: (Laughs) Well, go ahead and listen in with us. And, uh, Jim, here’s how you began the conversation. Phil and Kay Robertson today on Focus on the Family with Jim Daly.

Jim: When I watch Duck Dynasty, which I think I’ve seen just about every episode with my boys, cooking’s a big part of your family, isn’t it? Miss Kay, you seem to be able to cook just about anything. Did you know how to do this when you got married or did you have to-

Kay Robertson: Oh, I want to tell you-

Jim: … acquire the ability?

Kay: … when I was, uh, the memories are, maybe four years old, I remember I stayed with my grandmother about half my life because my parents ran a store. We had a general store that we had in our family for, like, 75 years, you know.

Jim: Man.

Kay: And they worked all the time. So I was with my grandmother over half my life, you know, as a grown-up-

Jim: Yeah.

Kay: … as I was growing up. And from the time I can remember, which is maybe four or five years old, I was in that kitchen with her. I was looking at recipe books, and I remember having flour from one end of me to the other.

Jim: (laughs).

Kay: And I, I remember just rolling the dough, rolling the dough, just doing all of those things. And that’s where I got my passion and love for cooking.

Jim: That sounds like fun, though. Rolling in that dough and powder. (laughs).

Kay: And I’ve been rolling dough ever since. Right, Phil?

Phil Robertson: That’s a fact.

Jim: Now, I gotta ask you really, I mean, cooking a squirrel. Yeah, that’s right, everybody. Some people just went, “What?” I mean, cooking a squirrel.

Phil: One of the finest eating things on the earth is squirrels.

Jim: (Laughs) Okay.

John: What were you gonna ask about cooking squirrels, Jim? I’m curious.

Jim: You know, did you, where’d you learn how to do that?

Kay: Look, we, my daddy-

Jim: Do you fry it? (Laughs).

Kay: Look, when I was a little girl, I held the legs and Phil knows what I’m talking about, for him to clean the squirrel. When I was a little girl. Little girl.

Jim: Huh.

Kay: And I did all that stuff with him. I learned how to pick birds and everything, which makes me kinda see why I chose who I chose because I already liked that stuff and did that stuff. And I liked the men that did that stuff. You see what I mean?

Jim: Oh, absolutely. (laughs)

Phil: You take squirrels and you clean them and cut the, the backs and the legs and get them all cut up and, uh-

Kay: He cuts them up for me now.

Phil: … she fries them. And then you pour the grease off and you add a can of French onion soup.

Kay: Phil, it’s several cans.

Jim: (laughs)

Phil: Yeah, several cans. However much you wanna make.

Kay: ‘Cause we, we have to get the pot.

Phil: French onion soup and cream of celery. And you put that in there and cut that with water or chicken broth. You put that. After you fried the squirrel, you put the soup in there. Add the water till you get the consistency right. Put it in the oven for about-

Kay: In the iron skillet.

Phil: A s- big iron skillet with a, with a lid. You fried them, you have the soup in there, you have a gravy. You put them in there. You can throw four, five, six cloves of garlic in there, and you put that in the oven and you cook that hour and a half, two hours.

Kay: Over two.

Phil: Listen, if you tasted that, a couple hours, you put that over rice. It is one of the finest eating things on this planet.

Kay: It really is. It-

Jim: (laughs) Okay, okay, now I’m thinking today’s Christmas day.

John: New Year’s is coming, though.

Kay: Oh.

Jim: So you see this-

John: New Year’s is coming.

Jim: You see this big, like, unveil of what you think’s gonna be a turkey, ends up being a squirrel. That’s not gonna feed enough people.

John: (laughs)

Kay: Well, and we don’t eat that. We don’t eat that on Christmas Day.

John: (Laughs) Well, I wonder if you think you’ll try some squirrel to celebrate the season. Well, I’ve had squirrel, but I’m not gonna have it this time. Uh, you know, the Robertsons really do take their Christian faith pretty seriously, and, uh, that doesn’t mean they don’t have fun as well, of course. Here’s a story that we heard about a special pageant at their church.

Jim: Hey, I wanna ask you now, in your book, um, Exploring the Joy of Christmas, uh, Phil, you had this thing where you dressed up like John the Baptist and it kinda scared the wee heeje bee-bees outta your kids. What happened?

Kay: Well, when he was in a play.

Jim: (laughs).

Kay: And he came in the back of the church, and what he did was he hollered. He didn’t even do, have a microphone. He, but, “Repent ye.”

Jim: (laughs)

Kay: And you know, he had the staff and all that. Like, look, all the babies climbed under the pews.

Jim: Was this Christmas? During Christmas?

Kay: Yeah.

Jim: And he starts, “Repent.” (Laughs)

Kay: Yeah he, uh-

Phil: Well, I was just duplicating-

Kay: We did that one.

Phil: …said John the Baptist raised his voice and, you know, he was hollering, you know, “Repent.” You know, “God can raise these stones up,” you know? And so I just went through what John the Baptist was saying, and I will have to admit it, it, it scared, it scared people.

Kay: It was a whole story about Jesus, you know.

Jim: Oh yeah, but-

Phil: But he was a scary figure at that point.

Jim: He, actually, for kids-

Kay: And he was so good.

Phil: Think about it. A guy just comes walking out of the wilderness and looking rougher than I do right now.

Jim: (laughs) Yeah.

Kay: And he had on, like, a bear thing.

Phil: In a camel’s hair, robbing beehives and running down grasshoppers. You’re like, you say, boy, that dude. And he was the guy appointed by God to pave the way for the savior of the world. Just look how God works.

Jim: Think of that.

Phil: Yeah. So I feel better about the way I look now because I think about John the Baptist.

Jim: (Laughs).

John: Trying to identify with him.

Jim: You kind of, you’re a bit of a John the Baptist, perhaps.

Kay: That’s what they’ve introduced him many speeches.

Jim: Is that right?

Kay: As the John the Baptist lookalike.

Jim: (laughs)

Phil: We take them to this river right down here, just like John did. So there you go.

Jim: That is cool.

John: Well, this is Focus on the Family with Jim Daly, and today we’re featuring Christmas stories from Phil and Kay Robertson, the founding members of Duck Dynasty. Now, every holiday season is unique. We know that, especially when the unexpected happens. And that was true for the Robertson family. ‘Twas the night before Christmas when all through the house, not a creature was stirring except for Grandpa Phil, who thought he smelled something funny.

Phil: It was cold at wintertime, so I looked in my fireplace and I looked around. I said, “Hmm.” I said, “Well, this seems to be all right.” So I go back in there and I crawl back into bed. Well, about 30 minutes later, I said, “Wait just a minute.”

Jim: (laughs).

Phil: I said, “I’m still smelling that wood.” I said, “That’s not fireplace smoke.” It’s a little different kind of smell to it.” So I get up and I walk back there with a flashlight, and I’m, and I have my flashlight, and I’m looking at the front of that fireplace. It’s dark. And I, there’s a seam where the fireplace came out, the concrete part where it hit the wooden floor. And I looked right there and I, I saw a little wisp of smoke. And I said, “Hmm.”

Jim: (laughs).

Phil: So I go over here and I get a bottle of these, this spring water, and I just poured some out in a container. I walked over there and I poured that water in that seam. I just started right there where my floor hit the concrete in the fireplace. I poured some water in there and it went sss- just boiled like that.

Jim: Oh man. (laughs).

Phil: And I’m looking down and I said, “That’s not right.” I said, “All my grandkids were asleep in here.”

Kay: Alan, Alan’s family spent the night.

Phil: Yeah.

Jim: All the kids?

Phil: All the grandkids were in there. So I looked around in the living room here, and I thought, “This seems to be a lot of smoke in here.”

Jim: (laughs).

Phil: So I got up under the house. I had my flashlight, so I turned it off and I’m just looking up toward my fireplace. And I saw a red glow-

Jim: (laughs)

Phil: … coming down in the house up under there. Well, I also noticed that there was smoke about, hanging from the bottom of my floor. I got that flashlight and it was just a, a layer of smoke, like a cloud bank right up there on those joists. And I thought, “This thing’s on fire back in there.”

Jim: (laughs) That’s crazy.

Phil: So I get up, you know, and I get ahold of old Burley, my neighbor. I said, “Bring a chainsaw and a sledgehammer. Get over here fast as you can.” He said, “Uh, what?”

Jim: What time is this?

Phil: 3:30. 3:30 in the morning.

Jim: (laughs)

Kay: Eh, it’s, it’s 3, 3:35, 3:40.

Jim: Okay, that’s a good neighbor.

John: Christmas morning.

Phil: I said, “Bring a sledgehammer and a chainsaw.” So he comes running over here-

Kay: And Alan’s up. We got all everybody up then.

Phil: And I, I ascertained that the fire has gotten to our floor and it’s working its way this way, and it just smoldering, ready to go. And I thought, so I took that sledgehammer. He took the chainsaw, started cutting up under there. We were gonna try to do that. I said, “We can’t do it.” I said, “I gotta get in there, on the fireplace.” I took a sledgehammer and now everybody’s up.

Kay: Now we’ve already called the fire department.

Phil: Get all the kids up. Call the fire department. So-

Kay: You see how far out we are.

John: It takes a while to get here.

Phil: I’m standing there with a sledgehammer like this. And I said, “Miss Kay, that new fireplace, we’re fixing to do away with it right here.” So I had two guys with five gallons of water each. And I just came from here and I came down on that concrete and I just started breaking it. Well, when I started breaking it, we could see them coals. That floor itself was, and they started pouring the water on as I was beating it. So I just beat me and gouged out a big hole, broke all the, I mean, I tore the floor up.

Jim: (laughs).

Phil: And I’m just moving back. And they’re keep pouring the water, smoke-

Kay: You know what grandkids are doing? They’re over there picking out their Christmas presents as fast as they can do.

Jim: (Laughs)

Phil: Get your Christmas presents before they burn up.

Jim: They had their priorities right.

Kay: Yeah.

Jim: They’re going, “Let’s save the Christmas presents.”

Phil: The fire department pulls up. They walk in, and they looked back there after I had poured all the water and broken all the concrete coming out and boards and all that. It was just a pile of charred stuff. And we wet it all down. The guy looks at it, the fire guide, and he said, “Who did that?” And I said, “That’d be me.” He said, “That’s exactly what you had to do to put that fire out.”

Jim: Wow.

John: Well, we hope you’re enjoying this Christmas episode of Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. I’m John Fuller, and today some pretty incredible stories from Phil and Kay Robertson, uh, better known, uh, in the Duck Dynasty family as Papaw Phil and Miss Kay. And you can find a lot more great content in their book, Exploring the Joy of Christmas. And, uh, get a copy today so you’ll have it next year. Uh, we’ve got it here at the ministry and you can find it at focusonthefamily.com/broadcast.

Jim: Well, so far we’ve heard some pretty crazy stuff like how to cook a squirrel. I think I could do maybe squirrel tacos.

John: Oh, I’m not sure. (laughs)

Jim: (laughs) And how Papaw Phil dressed up as a scary John the Baptist. He would make a scary John the Baptist.

John: Indeed. Mm-hmm.

Jim: And of course, their Christmas fire. And if you missed any of that, uh, get the download from us or look for this episode on YouTube. Or better yet, download the Focus on the Family app so you can access this great content whenever you want to.

John: That’s a great idea. And now, as we continue today’s Focus on the Family with Jim Daly, uh, you’ll hear more from Phil and Kay Robertson as they reflect on how all of us can reach out more intentionally and help others, especially the less fortunate, during the holiday season.

Kay: I talk to women myself, you know, that have a hard time with everything like that. And the different homes they go, they go to so many different, because of so many different, you know, things that have happened in the family and all that. And, and you know, that’s just a circumstances of, of times and things that’s happened to them, you know.

But the thing about it is I try to tell them, “Look, your kids are looking at you.”

Jim: Mm-hmm.

Kay: “So you have gotta find joy in even the hardest of circumstances.” And, um, you know, I love it because even we can find ways always to help people. You know, we did a thing last year where some of my girls I work with, we just, it had their coldest night we ever had during the Christmas season. And, you know, we took out blankets to people, you know?

Jim: Yeah.

Kay: Just gave blankets to them and things like that, and gloves and hats and stuff like that. We just, we got the money and, well, I donated the money, to tell you the truth, but what we did was to have those girls do that and give all these things right there at the joy time of year. But there’s so many people that don’t even have simple things.

Jim: That’s true.

Kay: And, and maybe some of it is because they’ve caused trouble to, you know, with the lifestyle they lived and they don’t have it. But those children, they still deserve having, you know, something or even somebody just to talk to them and care about them and all that. And I love that part of what we do at that time of-

Jim: And it’s beautiful. I mean, that’s, that is the Christmas spirit, isn’t it?

Kay: Oh, it really is.

Jim: To give and to be joyful and-

Kay: And, and we came to some homes and it was freezing cold and the kids were outside barefooted.

Jim: Oh.

Kay: And I was like, “Where’s your mama?” And they’ll say, “Well, she’s asleep and I can’t get her to wake up.” And I told them, I said, “Well, I brought you, we brought you, all of my girls would give them out the blankets and, and you know, mittens and things.”

Jim: Yeah.

Kay: And I said, “I wish I’d have brought some shoes.” (laughs).

Jim: (laughs) Yeah.

Kay: “But here’s the deal, you’re gonna get sick. So I know you have shoes. And so I’ll be like your mom today and tell you, put your shoes and socks on. It’s cold.” You know?

Jim: Yeah. Get in there.

Kay: Get in there, and, and you know, there’s just circumstances like that. But we need to be out and about.

Jim: Yeah.

Kay: Not just about us.

John: Now, what a good reminder from Miss Kay Robertson about turning the focus off of ourselves this Christmas and finding ways to reach out and extend God’s love to others. And of course, the best way to celebrate Christmas every year is to keep that focus on Jesus Christ. Uh, think about what He came to do and how He transformed the world and our lives forever. And Phil Robertson has some more thoughts about that.

Phil: Look at the ramifications of John 1:1. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him, all things were made. In Him was life. The life shines in the darkness, but the darkness is not understood.” You drop down to verse 14 and it says, “The Word became flesh.” So when God chose to enter the world via a human mother, dating all the way back to Genesis 3 when man fell, the seed of a woman will crush Satan. 5400 years goes by, and here’s God in flesh. We call it Christmas. Every year before He got here, you call those the years before He got here. (laughs) And all the years, once He arrived via a human mother, you say, AD, Anno Domini, year of our Lord. We literally, and the world, look at how that one event, He was able to bring the world together and count time by what He did right there.

Jim: Right.

Phil: Well, you just look at it. You say the effect was far reaching. Christ mass, worship, mass. Christmas, Christmas. You’re like, Christ worship. You just look at the impact that’s had for good on the earth. And just think about if that had never occurred. If that had never happened and there were no Jesus, I don’t know what we would count time by. We would have our own little, some kind of calendar based on the moon. What? No telling what. But you say all the calendars changed once God became flesh.

Jim: It’s an amazing thing.

Phil: It’s very amazing. I mean, the ramifications of that are still with us here today, which is pretty amazing. Therefore, when we all get together, it’s a remembrance almost to the, on the same par as the Lord’s Supper when we remember the blood of Jesus that removed our sin and the body that was given for us, that was nailed to the cross. It’s almost like that around this neck of the woods, anyway.

John: This is Focus on the Family with Jim Daly, and we’re featuring holiday memories and spiritual insights from Phil and Kay Robertson. They wrote a wonderful book called Exploring the Joy of Christmas.

Jim: Let me ask you about contentment. I mean, this is Christmas time. Contentment is such an important aspect of the Christian life. You guys have come from, well, Phil, as your childhood, you know, being poor.

Phil: Sure.

Jim: And Miss Kay, you grew up in a family that had a grocery store. You kinda had a lot, comparatively.

Kay: But-

Jim: And then, but, but even in that context and you, you hit this big show, but you guys are still living pretty much the life you did before in many ways. How do you get that contentment, and you don’t-

Kay: ‘Cause you look for it not in material things. That’s what you do. And that’s where we’re really messed up in our society today.

Jim: How have you, practically, maintained that center of gravity to say, “Okay, we’re not gonna be like everybody else that becomes famous and we’re not gonna treat people rudely?”

Kay: Well, we came from a different time and I don’t forget my roots and he doesn’t forget his either.

Phil: I think if you s- if you work with enough individuals, you begin to take away from your council with them, you begin to say a lot of humanity, they don’t have, rightfully so, that rarest of commodities, which is peace of mind. You say peace of mind. In America especially, you say, “Whatever happened to peace of mind?” Because if you’re not content with what you have, not content despite the circumstances, if you’re angry and you don’t know why, if your problem is you don’t know what your problem is, that’s your problem.

Kay: (laughs)

Phil: You say, you’re never gonna get peace of mind. Only God provides that. Only God. You know, you read these texts, the peace that surpasses all understanding. You’re like, you, you can be dirt poor, but you’re just a smile on your face. It doesn’t bother you. You’re like, that’s a hard thing to come by in America.

Jim: Yeah.

Phil: They scramble and they think somehow if they get rich or famous, they will have achieved something. What they fail to understand is all the money any of us ever acquire, you say, “Can it remove your sin? All that money?” You’re like, “Unfortunately, no.” You say, “Well, all the fame one ever gets, uh, maybe that’ll help him with the grave.” No. Uh, all the fame you ever get, it can’t raise you from the dead.

Jim: (laughs)

Phil: So when you look at it, you say, “Well, if money and fame can’t remove your sin or raise you from the dead, I better major in my way off planet Earth alive here, my sins removed and the resurrection of the dead.” You’re like, you better major and camp out right there.

Jim: Yeah.

Phil: Because I know of no other possibility to get us off planet Earth.

Jim: I love that simplicity, Phil. I mean, we have talked about it. I love it.

Phil: Look, if you, if someone has a better story, I’m like, “Well, I’m all ears. What is it?”

Jim: Right.

Phil: And so far, I’ve not heard a person stand up and say, “I’ve got a better story that deals with the sins of the world and the resurrection of the day.” I said, “Well, what is it?” Nobody has one.

John: Phil and Kay Robertson experienced a dramatic conversion to Christ years ago, and it’s given them a passion for introducing others to God’s love, especially during this Christmas season.

Phil: So the centerpiece of one’s thinking should be, especially godly people, look, you’re a child of the resurrection for crying out loud. Calm down. (laughs) Enjoy it. I mean, tell others about it. I mean…

Jim: That’s great.

Phil: So we’ve been given everything, so-

Kay: (laughs) And-

Jim: That is so good. And on Christmas Day, this is what we need to know.

Phil: You, that’s a-

Kay: And I wanna tell you something. For somebody that doesn’t know Christ, you know, they’re just on a, like a spinning wheel. They’re not going anywhere (laughs) and they keep wondering what’s wrong.

Jim: Yeah.

Kay: And it’s never too late. It’s never too late. We, uh, our preacher up there where he is, his father came to Christ and wasn’t he, uh, like, uh, 70 or something like that?

Phil: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Kay: 70 years old.

Jim: That’s-

Kay: He came to Christ. He went to church all his life, but guess what? He never gave his life to Christ.

Phil: A guy came-

Jim: That’s amazing.

Phil: A guy pulled up here a few months ago. He was in a wheelchair. His healthcare professional was with him. And I walked around there to where he was in the car and I told him, said, “So someone told me, do you want me to baptize you in the river?” And he said, “Uh, I came down here, Mr. Robinson, ’cause I knew you would.” I said, “Let me,” he said, but they told me, but you know, they couldn’t do it ’cause it was in the wheelchair.

I said, “Let me tell you something, dude. We’re gonna get on both sides of that wheelchair. We’re gonna baptize you and the wheelchair and we will bring you up out of there.”

Jim: (laughs)

Kay: (laughs)

Phil: He said, “That’s why I came.” The man was about 89 years old.

Jim: My goodness.

Phil: But listen, we right back down to the river and I had a couple of my brothers roll him down to a boat dock down there, you know-

Jim: (laughs).

Phil: … and we got him out there and got him all situated. And I said, “Jesus said, go make disciples and baptize them. We’re going to do it.” And so look, down he went in the wheelchair and we come up with him. He thanked me. I saw him the next Sunday morning, though. Oh man. But you know, I said, “You know what? That’s what he wants. That’s what we’re gonna do.”

Jim: Right. It’s never too late, to Miss Kay’s point.

Phil: Never too late.

Jim: This has been terrific.

Kay: Mm-hmm.

Jim: Uh, Phil Robertson, Kay Robertson, thank you so much for being with us.

Kay: I could talk to you all the time.

Jim: I love that. (laughs)

Phil: (laughs)

John: Well, what a warm conversation we enjoyed on today’s episode of Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. Uh, we hope you enjoyed hearing from our guests, Phil and Kay Robertson, and, uh, all about their wonderful Christmas stories.

Jim: Yeah. What a perfect place to end, hearing about the spiritual birth of a brand new Christian. Uh, because as we’ve shared several times today, Christmas is centered on our relationship with Jesus Christ. That’s what it’s about. It’s not about the presents or the decorations or anything else that might distract us from that central message. I mean, it’s great to enjoy all the festivities and I think the Lord appreciates that, that we can have that festive sense around the Christmas season, but we need to move beyond the baby in a manger and connect with our living, loving Savior who died and rose again so that we could be forgiven and embrace the gift of eternal life, being with God forever.

John: Mm-hmm.

Jim: It doesn’t get better than that.

John: Right.

Jim: And that’s why we celebrate and that’s why Focus on the Family is here to bring God’s good news message to you and your family.

John: Yeah. And I think the Robertsons, uh, did a masterful job of pointing us to the centrality of Christ and the, the importance of this time of year. Uh, we so appreciate their Christian witness and their emphasis, in today’s culture especially, on strong family values.

Jim: Yeah, we do, John. And you know, when you spend any time with this family, (laughs) the number one thing that they talk about is Jesus.

John: Yeah.

Jim: I mean, I remember the first time meeting Phil going into the living room, which is on the other end of the kitchen of their little house.

John: Mm-hmm.

Jim: And, uh, you know, he’s sitting next to the fire in his camouflage chair. (laughs)

John: (laughs)

Jim: And I walked up and, uh, just began to talk with him.

John: Yeah.

Jim: And he just went right to scripture.

John: Mm-hmm.

Jim: And, you know, recently, uh, we’ve heard the news about the diagnosis for Phil, and, uh, that’s dementia and, you know, that’s just a tough road ahead for the family, certainly for Phil. And I talked to Al, his firstborn son the other day, the one I’m closest with to the family. And obviously he and his wife, Lisa, would appreciate everybody’s prayers for Phil and Kay, for the family. And, you know, it’s just that next stage of what sometimes will happen in this life. You know, difficult things come. Uh, it is irrespective of money, of position, of status. These things hit each and every one of us in different ways. So let’s remember to pray for the Robertson family.

John: Mm-hmm.

Jim: Uh, they’re gonna need God’s peace and His comfort through these difficult days ahead. The good news is God’s grace is sufficient.

John: Mm-hmm. Absolutely. And, uh, thinking back through the show today, uh, we do have the book by Phil and Kay called Exploring the Joy of Christmas and, uh, it’s a terrific resource. Uh, get a copy of this when you make a donation of any amount to the ministry of Focus on the Family. Support this show and the work that we’re doing as an organization to reach out and encourage people in so many ways, especially to introduce them to the Savior. Uh, make a donation and get that book when you’re at our website. Uh, that’s focusonthefamily.com/broadcast. Well, thanks again for inviting us into your Christmas Day and plan to join us again tomorrow as we have Curtis Chang sharing about common misconceptions regarding anxiety.

Curtis Chang: But when you engage that with this idea, this paradigm, this framework that says anxiety is solely a problem to go away, you go down a path that actually makes anxiety worse.

John: Thanks for listening to Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. I’m John Fuller inviting you back next time as we once again help you and your family thrive in Christ.